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Jan. 25th, 2002 08:59 am
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I got it today! I put in an order for Salvia Extract and I have it in my hands(well not literally)... So this weekend I get to experience first hand Lady Salvia. I've tried smoking it before, but never really had anything happen. I may be one of those people who need to try it a few times, and maybe it's harder for it to affect me(a lot of substances are that way... *sigh*) Maybe it's just cuz I'm fat, and I need more of something to affect me. Anyways, most likely tomorrow night I shall enter this divine world. I think it's so great it's fully legal. I really hope some idiots don't think it's just some party drug to fuck with. From what I understand it's a very shamanic entheogen. Anyways.

Also ordered some Adrafanil from IAS a while back, and hope it comes within a month or so. See how that works for my creativity. It should enhance it tremendously, but I'm gonna make sure to only use it when I want to write and have that mental focus... Not gonna waste it on my waking days at work.

Speaking of creativity. Starting to create an outline concept for my story, based on my "STEM cell" concept. First, STEM is Space/Time/Energy/Matter... And cell, of course, is like a jail cell(or you can imagine an organic totality, the ambiguity is purposeful) The idea of jail is of course, the gnostic prison of flesh, or the hindu Maya. Anyways, When writing, I realize you have these four elements, reprepesented by location, timing, action and character, so I've devised a system with parts(I wish I could actually code this shit on computer, but as it is, it's just gonna be on paper in a binder) Chronos is the Time Line, Holos is the Spatial aspect(using nodes linked in space to represent locations) Motion between Holons(the spatial parts) is a line with arrows showing flow of story... BIOS is the info page for characters, items, etc... Kinda hard to visualize unless you actually see it. But, basically it's a way to see the story holistically without writing it all out, and having a sort of flow chart, in a sense. Bah, I know this is boring but oh well. Hope everyone is well! :) Have a lovely day

Date: 2002-01-25 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seijikat.livejournal.com
what is salvia extract? how do you use it [smoke it?] and what kind of effects does it have?

i've never heard of it before! how neat!

Date: 2002-01-26 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] symbioid.livejournal.com
Salvia is technically the Salvia Divinorum plant. It was used by the Mazatecs in(I believe) the Oaxaca(pronounced wa-ha'-ca) area of Mexico. Anyways, it's also known as Diviners Sage... Indeed, it comes from the sage family. The extract I ordered is an extract from the plant in alcohol. It's a bit pricey, but for the cost you get quite a few doses. Usually, yes, you smoke the leaves, but some people it takes more smoke(you have to inhale really deeply), and others it takes a few times(like pot would). I know that I've tried it a few times, and nothing has happened, so I figure I have a high tolerance. The extract should be easier to intake, and more likely to work, I think.

As for the effects, there's a wide range from what I've read. The important thing to know is that it's not a "party" drug. It's been described as "dissociadelic"... At low doses, apparently, there's an aphrodesial/sensual quality, then the next level is closed eye visuals, then energy and more vivid visuals, until you enter a sort of hyperspace where you meet up with other entities. It's pretty short lasting, but the extract seems to last longer(with a little bit of a lower intensity of experience) than the smoked plant. The actual substance is known as Salvinorin A, which is the most potent naturally occurring psychedlic(in terms of dosage, it's as potent as acid with doeses as low as 250 mcg(micrograms) being the active dose... The plant material dilutes it so you don't have to worry about measuring that sort of amount(which it would be easy to OD on)... OD's are essentially where you dissociate completely, and your body takes over without you being conscious. THis is why a sitter is important, and also why extreme caution must be taken when using this substance. I need to mentally prepare myself for the journey ahead, because it seems as intense as DMT in it's own way... They say it's completely different than the tryptamine substances(LSD, shrooms, DMT, 5-Meo-DMT, etc...), and very alien. They say you can feel like a totally different person... Which is funny, cuz my friend Tony, who was able to experience the effects from smoking it, said he felt at one point, as if he were a child star... Like you know, Cory Feldman or something like that. I believe it was due to a Mr. Show skit that may have been on at the time in the background, but not sure. Anyways, it apparently can enhance and retrieve memories of childhood and the past as well. So I'm gonna try a moderate dose, not too light, but not too heavy.

Hope this was enough info! Prolly too much. Take care... :)

Date: 2002-01-25 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tomorrow-landed.livejournal.com

aww man, i'm jealous!

I've been planning on getting some one of these days; if you haven't already, ya might wanna check out errowid's salvia vault
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

but then, i'm sure u have of course. We'll be sure to keep you in our thoughts tomorrow, along with some positive energy since it couldn't hurt.


have a grand experience, and remember: there is no spoon! :)


D

Date: 2002-01-26 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] symbioid.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've mos' def' looked at the Salvia vault. I always go to Erowid... Love that place. Actually, I ordered it from a really cool place called Sagewisdom. (http://www.sagewisdom.org) Because it's an extract it should be easier to get the effects I want to achieve... I've had difficulty in having experiences with it before(our local smoke shop carried it, maybe they still do, I dunno). I'll definitely let you know how things go. Please send whatever positive energy you can. I think we'll do it tonight at like 10 or 11 Central Time so if you've got mental energy then, feel free to send love at that time. I'm gonna be cautious and yet, want to get a bit into it. Well, take care.

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Date: 2002-01-26 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tomorrow-landed.livejournal.com
we hear ya man, and will be sending energy thata way tonight...


be safe, but enjoy... :)

Date: 2002-01-25 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-suki-blue622.livejournal.com
ohhhh, how are you planning on smoking the
salvia? when i used a foil bowl,
didn't work. i guess the main things are
how big the hit and how long you hold it...
like DMT and meo, 1-3 huge hits and
*boom* hyperspace...yeeeeeeeeehaw!

will be thinkin of ya, when are you going
to do it?
story set sounds cool,oh and sorry i missed
your call (slept all day)! you sounded great :)
peace

Date: 2002-01-26 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] symbioid.livejournal.com
I've used it before, with a little bong that I had, but it didn't work. Tony however, had an experience. He didn't particularly care for it, felt too "alien" to him. But after reading more info to him, he wants to try again. I have a hard time with smoke, overall. This is actually an extract, so it's a liquid that you hold in your mouth for like 15 minutes. Under the tongue and all that. Hopefully it's not too terrible. It'll burn they say... alcohol based. We should be doing it tonight at about 10 or 11... I really hope it's good, and that I can get in touch with something, whether that be strong empathy, memories, or entities, or visuals, however... I need to prepare mentally, beforehand, I know that much.

Also, do you know any more about the possibility of coming up? Just curious. If you don't think you can make it, I understand. Just trying to figure out plans by then. Hope you have a good weekend, and I'm sure I'll be sending out good vibes your way tonight. :) I'd say take care, but I realized I've said it the past two posts! so peace out... :)

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