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symbioidljOK, fuck gentoo. Sorry, I guess I"m not "geek" enough. Whatever.
But I don't think I should have to spend (at least) 6 hours, probably it's been more, trying to get the damned CD burner to work. And STILL not get it working.
And believe you me, it's not like i haven't looked at every single documentation I could find. I've enabled SCSI-emulation as modules, I built it into the kernel. I've tried to modify modules.conf, and I've tried to modify LILO. I've tried every single tip and trick I could find... I looked up ordinary CD-burning-HOW-TO, and I've looked up special FAQ's in getting the fucking IDE drive to work. NOTHING! Even when I get the modules compiled and put into the system. Or manually add them. Nothing. cdrecord says there's no SCSI, yet the ide-scsi driver is there.
So fuck it.
At first I thought I was just gonna wipe Linux completely, cuz it's too much a pain in the ass, but then I thought, neah, I'll just go back to Mandrake(one, actually, probably the MOST important reason I got Linux was so I can burn CD's without worrying about "shareware" and having to either download a crack or eventually pay for the shit.) Mandrake properly ID's my CD burner AND let's me burn CD's.
So fuck gentoo. And fuck the fact that I can't just use a fucking IDE drive to burn without having to fuck around for hours trying to get SCSI emulation to work. There's absolutely NO reason to have to deal with that shit. Maybe in a couple years, it'll be better.
I'm not saying it's gentoo's fault as a whole. It isn't. But, at least Mandrake can get the shit configured right. Supposedly, what i tell Gentoo to do, it should do, but apparently it doesn't.
And before you get all "Maybe you have a CD burner that doesn't work with linux" on my ass, I'lll get all "I DO have one that works with Linux, cuz mandrake burned just fine" on yours. So there.
How many weekends did I just waste? Trying to fuck around with the mouse for hours trying to get it to work.
I thought I could get Annotea working on Gentoo(which is the main reason I tried Gentoo, but of course, it's not a portage/.ebuild, and that's a pain in the ass) I thought I could just compile source without having to deal with packages. Portage does seem to be much nicer, in general, than RPM's(even though you have to always compile shit)
Oooh, so what if I can optimize my system for Athlon compilation. In all honesty, it didn't really seem to run much faster(in fact, I think it may have run a little slower).
I'm glad I got the chance to compile my own kernel. It helped me understand the process a little better, but all in all, I'd rather not have to deal with a six hour headache like that.
Bye bye gentoo.......... Hello mandrake.
But I don't think I should have to spend (at least) 6 hours, probably it's been more, trying to get the damned CD burner to work. And STILL not get it working.
And believe you me, it's not like i haven't looked at every single documentation I could find. I've enabled SCSI-emulation as modules, I built it into the kernel. I've tried to modify modules.conf, and I've tried to modify LILO. I've tried every single tip and trick I could find... I looked up ordinary CD-burning-HOW-TO, and I've looked up special FAQ's in getting the fucking IDE drive to work. NOTHING! Even when I get the modules compiled and put into the system. Or manually add them. Nothing. cdrecord says there's no SCSI, yet the ide-scsi driver is there.
So fuck it.
At first I thought I was just gonna wipe Linux completely, cuz it's too much a pain in the ass, but then I thought, neah, I'll just go back to Mandrake(one, actually, probably the MOST important reason I got Linux was so I can burn CD's without worrying about "shareware" and having to either download a crack or eventually pay for the shit.) Mandrake properly ID's my CD burner AND let's me burn CD's.
So fuck gentoo. And fuck the fact that I can't just use a fucking IDE drive to burn without having to fuck around for hours trying to get SCSI emulation to work. There's absolutely NO reason to have to deal with that shit. Maybe in a couple years, it'll be better.
I'm not saying it's gentoo's fault as a whole. It isn't. But, at least Mandrake can get the shit configured right. Supposedly, what i tell Gentoo to do, it should do, but apparently it doesn't.
And before you get all "Maybe you have a CD burner that doesn't work with linux" on my ass, I'lll get all "I DO have one that works with Linux, cuz mandrake burned just fine" on yours. So there.
How many weekends did I just waste? Trying to fuck around with the mouse for hours trying to get it to work.
I thought I could get Annotea working on Gentoo(which is the main reason I tried Gentoo, but of course, it's not a portage/.ebuild, and that's a pain in the ass) I thought I could just compile source without having to deal with packages. Portage does seem to be much nicer, in general, than RPM's(even though you have to always compile shit)
Oooh, so what if I can optimize my system for Athlon compilation. In all honesty, it didn't really seem to run much faster(in fact, I think it may have run a little slower).
I'm glad I got the chance to compile my own kernel. It helped me understand the process a little better, but all in all, I'd rather not have to deal with a six hour headache like that.
Bye bye gentoo.......... Hello mandrake.
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Dude RMS would be dissappointed.
Date: 2003-04-27 09:34 am (UTC)cd /dev
ln -s scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd scd0
Then of course the old hda=ide-scsi line in you kernel boot line of grub.conf which you probably already had. (assumes first ide device is cdr drive).
The documentation out there doesn't cover dev filesystem just yet. It's a pretty new fangled way of dealing w/ devices. Anyway... All the distro's are or will be moving to devfs. Of course, early on it'll be a bit of a pain until the documentation gets up to speed.
Moral of the story though is that you should have asked before throwing in the towel. You can email me (I don't LJ to often) at foo_at_share-foo.com. Or if you want an even better chance of a quick answer, try madlug (http://www.madisonlinux.org/) at madlug_at_madisonlinux.org.
Well... Anyway... At least your not giving up on linux.
If it makes you feel any better I just threw in the towel on RH9 for now. They backported experimental threading changes from the 2.5.x kernel and went with a bleeding edge glibc. Both make it nearly impossible to compile some of the software I wanted to do some testing and dev work with. What's worse, after getting it to compile, it won't run right anyway. It appeared to still be choking on the glibc weirdness. That said though, it is a bit peppier w/ the new threading. I'm sure in 6 months or a year there will be a 9.1 and between the RH adjustments, and the rest of the community fixing broken stuff as its found, the 9.x changes won't be so painful. Thats just the way it goes w/ linux though. The trick is to use the community. You will learn faster too.
-ray.
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Re: Dude RMS would be dissappointed.
Date: 2003-04-27 10:07 am (UTC)Second, there was no /dev/scsi. I do have /dev/scd0, however.
Yeah, I suppose I should use the community. I am pretty much a fucking timid hermit, and just looking for docs without asking questions is probably pretty stupid. Then again, i always feel(even though I *KNOW* linux is supposed to be about community and help) that if I ask too many questions, I just get annoying(especially when I've tried all the shit I can find, I feel that I'll just get the same pointers to the same docs and shit I've already tried. Whatever. I guess I'll keep at it. I'll recompile the SCSI emulation into the kernel once more and try again)
I keep getting some strange pg(0???)? not found (or something like that)when I do cdrecord -scanbus. What the hell is "pg"??? I keep thinking it's some device, but can't quite figure out what the hell it is.
I'll get back to where I was earlier through this coming week, and maybe I'll try to break outta my hermitude, and get some balls to actually talk to people.
Re: Dude RMS would be dissappointed.
Date: 2003-04-27 10:44 am (UTC)The /dev/scd0 file is suspicious. Did you put it there yourself, or have you compiled stuff from source by hand that may have put it there for you. Also, without a /dev/scsi folder, I doubt the kernel is being passed the right flag to tell it to use scsi emulation for the particular drive. In lilo it would go in an append line.
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17
label=2.2.17
root=/dev/sda2
read-only
append="hd?=ide-scsi"
The ? depends on what ide device it is. dmesg output should help you figure that out. Once you modify lilo.conf, you have to rerun lilo to activate the changes.
First test w/ lilo -t. If that works just run lilo without any flags to make the change.
Anyway... I can probably find out what's missing w/ a bit more info. Paste the following code into a bash prompt and email me the outfile "some-info." (foo_at_share-foo.com) I'll take a look at it and get back to you as soon as I'm done w/ lunch.
{
echo -e "\nLILO.CONF ------------------"
cat /etc/lilo.conf
echo -e "\n\nDMESG ------------------"
dmesg
echo -e "\n\nCDRECORD -SCANBUS--------"
cdrecord -scanbus
echo -e "\n\nLS -L /DEV/SCD* -------------"
ls -l /dev/scd*
} > some-info