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symbioidljSo, I'm supposed to be posting something about this war or something, but I feel it's redundant. 1) Y'all pretty much know how I feel, and are echoing those same sentiments, so I'd in essence be preaching to the choir. 2) For some reason, I just don't have the rage inside of me. I'm somewhat bereft of any sort of hope or anger. I don't know... Just a slight sense of sadness. All the other concerns, the concerns about national security that may result in response to this attack, for example, are the last thing on my mind(well, not last, since I mentioned it, but... you know).
But I have been thinking, so I guess I will post. So often we rail against the bullshit our government is doing, and we have to defend ourselves with a footnote "just cuz we oppose the war doesn't mean we're pro-Saddam" but that really doesn't state how most of us really feel about Saddam. I think we often allow ourselves to numb our emotions a bit to the dark side of the enemy in order to oppose the dark side of "our" own leadership... Because if we allow ourselves to feel anger towards Saddam, or admit that he is a vicious, murderous tyrant(and yes, I know, we armed him and all that), we can be duped into the emotional sentiment and become another unthinking sheep. But we can't just ignore the fact that Saddam is a big fucking bitch. So is Dubya. No shit. Maybe I'm different from people, but I tend to get swept up in my opposition to our policies that I tend to ignore the fact that the world is bullshit. That there is a bunch of fascist, dictatorship assholes out there, and that, as much as I hate what we have now, I *am* glad that we have a modicum of democracy, and we at least have a chance to get the fucker out next year. Bush would like if we were a fascist country(or at least more-so than it already is)...
We so often rage against all the wrongs that we tend to appreciate the good things that we have. And in fact, as much as I hate to say it, it's true. Iraq will be better off without Saddam. Even under the imperial protectorate of the Good Ol' USA, they will tend to be better off. Not that they can't or shouldn't do better, but I have to admit that the long term concept is better for the Iraqi's if he were gone. This is simplistic, I know. And there are so many complications and problems and logistical issues that may be planned for, but the American people, IMO, are not, ultimately, ready to accept. The ramifications of this war, the widespread retaliation that could occur... All these things, the American people aren't willing to take on as the responsibilities. Americans tend to not go the long haul.
And I know it goes against the grain, but I don't think this whole war is merely about just oil, or revenge. I think there is a modicum of truth to what they say about "bringing democracy to the middle east" Of course, as Tom Tomorrow pointed out in his blog(syndicated to livejournal(I think you guys would do good to check it out :) ) We can't have a real democracy in the middle east, because there would be a lot of support for leadership that doesn't necessarily agree with our opinion on how that region should be run. And I think bringing "democracy" and "stability" is really more about long-term economic interests. Pax Americana is bullshit.
But I think it's important to not get caught up in all the emotional rhetoric and that each side contains nuggets of truth, and that's how each side gets their supporters to fight for them. I know which side I'm on. I guess I'm just saying it's important to at least try to be prudent and appreciate how other people see things(ie: the mass sheeple), so we can understand their psychology.
But I have been thinking, so I guess I will post. So often we rail against the bullshit our government is doing, and we have to defend ourselves with a footnote "just cuz we oppose the war doesn't mean we're pro-Saddam" but that really doesn't state how most of us really feel about Saddam. I think we often allow ourselves to numb our emotions a bit to the dark side of the enemy in order to oppose the dark side of "our" own leadership... Because if we allow ourselves to feel anger towards Saddam, or admit that he is a vicious, murderous tyrant(and yes, I know, we armed him and all that), we can be duped into the emotional sentiment and become another unthinking sheep. But we can't just ignore the fact that Saddam is a big fucking bitch. So is Dubya. No shit. Maybe I'm different from people, but I tend to get swept up in my opposition to our policies that I tend to ignore the fact that the world is bullshit. That there is a bunch of fascist, dictatorship assholes out there, and that, as much as I hate what we have now, I *am* glad that we have a modicum of democracy, and we at least have a chance to get the fucker out next year. Bush would like if we were a fascist country(or at least more-so than it already is)...
We so often rage against all the wrongs that we tend to appreciate the good things that we have. And in fact, as much as I hate to say it, it's true. Iraq will be better off without Saddam. Even under the imperial protectorate of the Good Ol' USA, they will tend to be better off. Not that they can't or shouldn't do better, but I have to admit that the long term concept is better for the Iraqi's if he were gone. This is simplistic, I know. And there are so many complications and problems and logistical issues that may be planned for, but the American people, IMO, are not, ultimately, ready to accept. The ramifications of this war, the widespread retaliation that could occur... All these things, the American people aren't willing to take on as the responsibilities. Americans tend to not go the long haul.
And I know it goes against the grain, but I don't think this whole war is merely about just oil, or revenge. I think there is a modicum of truth to what they say about "bringing democracy to the middle east" Of course, as Tom Tomorrow pointed out in his blog(syndicated to livejournal(I think you guys would do good to check it out :) ) We can't have a real democracy in the middle east, because there would be a lot of support for leadership that doesn't necessarily agree with our opinion on how that region should be run. And I think bringing "democracy" and "stability" is really more about long-term economic interests. Pax Americana is bullshit.
But I think it's important to not get caught up in all the emotional rhetoric and that each side contains nuggets of truth, and that's how each side gets their supporters to fight for them. I know which side I'm on. I guess I'm just saying it's important to at least try to be prudent and appreciate how other people see things(ie: the mass sheeple), so we can understand their psychology.
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Date: 2003-03-20 10:47 am (UTC)In a way, I actually don't mind that forces are there to do this either. I understand the notion that Saddam will dick everyone around for eternity with "resolutions", and that the only real way to have him disarm is to make him.
The only thing I worry about is innocent civilians being killed. If somehow the military can pull this off with a very small number of casualties, I think I will feel better about the corse of action chosen. This is the part I think i can't really make a decision on about how I feel until it is actually over.
I do think people on both sides (pro war, anti war) do not listen to each other. Saying "We need peace" is just as useless as saying "Well, they're evil". I have yet to see any decent dialogue that wasn't one sided anywhere. Most of the time, it's so one sided it's not even worth listening to.
All I can really do is imagine myself if the situation was reversed. Not only is it hard to imagine, it's even harder to figure out how I would feel, and what I would want to happen. I think it's a little too easy to throw verbal slingshots over each side of the fence while sitting in our posh democratic country. It's another thing all together to be living in Baghdad right now. Something tells me those are the only people with a real handle on the situation, and I doubt anyone here could really understand it.
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Date: 2003-03-20 03:24 pm (UTC)this is off topic and i apologize, but,
have you experience with the cultivation of the psilocybe cubensis? mm. pique.
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Date: 2003-03-20 10:43 pm (UTC)I know that they sell grow kits, but I don't know about their legality in Canada.(oh how I long to leave the US and move to a real democracy(or at least, a closer to real democracy than ours here)), but I'd assume the kits may have info... I'm sure there's some good info on line, for instance erowid.org (http://www.erowid.org) may have some info. They're good for a lot of info on such things. If you've never checked the site out, i highly recommend it. :)
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Date: 2003-03-21 04:34 am (UTC)I'm just generally interested in tips for succeeding..I've read much on the subject and I feel pretty confident, but the more info the better.
thanks