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symbioidljSo, I've been thinking about the apocalypse concept off and on over the years(having grown up in a fundie xian household, it infiltrates your psyche)
I was listening to Terence McKenna, and he's talking about this apocalypse idea. I read a post from a couple friends regarding the apocalypse... So I shall explain my theory of it...
I believe in an apocalypse, on many levels, with many causes, and with a biological sort of basis.
I think that there is a sort of thatatonic deathwish amongst the depths of our psyche. In proper balance, it is a good thing. We must respect death and it's power. And honor it appropriately. The tendency in religious cycles is similar to pagan Ishtar & Inanna and thus the extension to Christian Easter. The dying god reborn. The dying self. The dying world, the dying cosmos, on all resonant levels and frequencies. The born god of light in Winter, and associated festivals of birth.
But, there is a problem, because these represent two vastly different world views. The mechanistic, linear, western consciousness tends towards some thought of "beginning" and "end", which, ultimately are irrelevant.
What is, if the universe is not? The universe to me, cannot not be. Whatever is, is the universe. If you are talking about our subspace in this vast entity, as some sort of lower dimensional manifestation, then, there may be a beginning and end. But in the larger scheme, it resides in cycles... Like in the breath cycles(the Kalpas) of Brahma, and associated ages(Yugas), of which, as![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
vyoma pointed out, we are in the Kali Yuga.
You may remember Kali from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. She is a fierce goddess of death.
This is all a part of a natural cycle. The path to enlightenment is to release attachment to life and death, to cling to neither hope nor fear. The way it is IS the way it is. Now.
Time is linear in the western conception, from creation and the fall to the end with armageddon... or, if you prefer, the big-bang and either heat-death or big-crunch. all these are illusion. These are real metaphors of a greater process of birth and death, and they are maps for our reality over the appearance, but they are not the actual reality.
As technology and science advances it comes to a holistic interpretation, it begins to see the looser pattern, the way things are. This is LI. It means the markings in jade. You see it in cloud formation, you see it in the patterns on the waves, in the wood, and even muscle structure of humans, ripples that flow.
I do wonder if there may have been psilocybin consumption when the taoist philosophy was either evolving or being scribed. umm... shit.
basically, the idea of apocalypse, is that there is the idea of the "temple"... "we are the temple of the holy ghost" which to me, says that the spirit of life(Prana), which is the light of the sun as it moves through the food chain, after it has been converted into physical manifestation by photosynthesis, into the stomach of an entity and provides nutrients and is process into energy for that organism, and on up into carnivores, etc...
Our physical form is an incarnation of code- The Word/Logos- into physical form. The incarnation is our life.
The temple is our body.
The return of Jesus is a metaphor of the anti-fall of eden. It is a reversal of a process, where man goes from knowledge to innocence. This is taoist in the sense that it is the mind of thought and language that causes division, the science(as in: scirere "to cut"), words to divide and categorize. Man goes back when all is one. But there is constant tension between self, other, the one, the none.
The none, as death of self, is scary to so many.
I know that we are going through a sudden change of historic proporations. Everyone feels it, I think. So many of us know it.
Do I believe in 2012? I don't know.
Now, the temple.
The self as temple of holy ghost. The anti-christ entering the temple, declares himself as the messiah.
This as a metaphor, to me, is the idea of letting hate and envy and all these negative emotions control us. It is the apocalypse of the human soul. The letting of Love be despoiled by the dark side, and the battle of apocalypse is that struggle to maintain our humanity and soul in this modern world filled with soul-sucking capitalism and commodity fetishism.
And by fetishism, we do mean a literal sense of objet magique. The power that resides in an object is derived from it's function/use, to form, to desirability, to durability. The more desirable an object is, the more they can exploit value from it. But desire isn't cheap, it requires advertising and manipulation of survival signals to be satiated by these plastic thneeds they produce.
The struggle, or jihad, or apocalypse against this is the real jihad, the real apocalypse. I am not saying it won't become self-fulfililng, because it is always thus that the higher reflects the lower, just as the lower reflects the higher. And it will resonate on a higher level. It is how the spirit and emotion motivates us, and how we react, and how we develop our spiritual faculties, our sense of justice, our sense of compassion, and ultimately a sense of duty is required.
We exist in a system that perpetuates it's own survival through specific memetic markers upon the collective psyche. The first is the identification of emptiness that religions have filled as "the god shaped hole" Use a combination of Maslovian and Pavlovian and Skinnerian psychology to manipulate these primal urges, both spiritual emptiness(especially as it is created by the system), and physical needing(issues of survival)
ok, can't think anymore...
I was listening to Terence McKenna, and he's talking about this apocalypse idea. I read a post from a couple friends regarding the apocalypse... So I shall explain my theory of it...
I believe in an apocalypse, on many levels, with many causes, and with a biological sort of basis.
I think that there is a sort of thatatonic deathwish amongst the depths of our psyche. In proper balance, it is a good thing. We must respect death and it's power. And honor it appropriately. The tendency in religious cycles is similar to pagan Ishtar & Inanna and thus the extension to Christian Easter. The dying god reborn. The dying self. The dying world, the dying cosmos, on all resonant levels and frequencies. The born god of light in Winter, and associated festivals of birth.
But, there is a problem, because these represent two vastly different world views. The mechanistic, linear, western consciousness tends towards some thought of "beginning" and "end", which, ultimately are irrelevant.
What is, if the universe is not? The universe to me, cannot not be. Whatever is, is the universe. If you are talking about our subspace in this vast entity, as some sort of lower dimensional manifestation, then, there may be a beginning and end. But in the larger scheme, it resides in cycles... Like in the breath cycles(the Kalpas) of Brahma, and associated ages(Yugas), of which, as
vyoma pointed out, we are in the Kali Yuga.You may remember Kali from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. She is a fierce goddess of death.
"Insofar as kali is identified with the phenomenal world, she presents a picture of that world that underlies its ephemeral and unpredictable nature. In her mad dancing, disheveled hair, and eerie howl there is made present the hint of a world reeling, careening out of control. The world is created and destroyed in Kali's wild dancing, and the truth of redemption lies in man's awareness that he is invited to take part in that dance, to yield to the frenzied beat of the Mother's dance of life and death."
This is all a part of a natural cycle. The path to enlightenment is to release attachment to life and death, to cling to neither hope nor fear. The way it is IS the way it is. Now.
Time is linear in the western conception, from creation and the fall to the end with armageddon... or, if you prefer, the big-bang and either heat-death or big-crunch. all these are illusion. These are real metaphors of a greater process of birth and death, and they are maps for our reality over the appearance, but they are not the actual reality.
As technology and science advances it comes to a holistic interpretation, it begins to see the looser pattern, the way things are. This is LI. It means the markings in jade. You see it in cloud formation, you see it in the patterns on the waves, in the wood, and even muscle structure of humans, ripples that flow.
I do wonder if there may have been psilocybin consumption when the taoist philosophy was either evolving or being scribed. umm... shit.
basically, the idea of apocalypse, is that there is the idea of the "temple"... "we are the temple of the holy ghost" which to me, says that the spirit of life(Prana), which is the light of the sun as it moves through the food chain, after it has been converted into physical manifestation by photosynthesis, into the stomach of an entity and provides nutrients and is process into energy for that organism, and on up into carnivores, etc...
Our physical form is an incarnation of code- The Word/Logos- into physical form. The incarnation is our life.
The temple is our body.
The return of Jesus is a metaphor of the anti-fall of eden. It is a reversal of a process, where man goes from knowledge to innocence. This is taoist in the sense that it is the mind of thought and language that causes division, the science(as in: scirere "to cut"), words to divide and categorize. Man goes back when all is one. But there is constant tension between self, other, the one, the none.
The none, as death of self, is scary to so many.
I know that we are going through a sudden change of historic proporations. Everyone feels it, I think. So many of us know it.
Do I believe in 2012? I don't know.
Now, the temple.
The self as temple of holy ghost. The anti-christ entering the temple, declares himself as the messiah.
This as a metaphor, to me, is the idea of letting hate and envy and all these negative emotions control us. It is the apocalypse of the human soul. The letting of Love be despoiled by the dark side, and the battle of apocalypse is that struggle to maintain our humanity and soul in this modern world filled with soul-sucking capitalism and commodity fetishism.
And by fetishism, we do mean a literal sense of objet magique. The power that resides in an object is derived from it's function/use, to form, to desirability, to durability. The more desirable an object is, the more they can exploit value from it. But desire isn't cheap, it requires advertising and manipulation of survival signals to be satiated by these plastic thneeds they produce.
The struggle, or jihad, or apocalypse against this is the real jihad, the real apocalypse. I am not saying it won't become self-fulfililng, because it is always thus that the higher reflects the lower, just as the lower reflects the higher. And it will resonate on a higher level. It is how the spirit and emotion motivates us, and how we react, and how we develop our spiritual faculties, our sense of justice, our sense of compassion, and ultimately a sense of duty is required.
We exist in a system that perpetuates it's own survival through specific memetic markers upon the collective psyche. The first is the identification of emptiness that religions have filled as "the god shaped hole" Use a combination of Maslovian and Pavlovian and Skinnerian psychology to manipulate these primal urges, both spiritual emptiness(especially as it is created by the system), and physical needing(issues of survival)
ok, can't think anymore...
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Date: 2004-10-16 11:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-17 01:49 am (UTC)actually, though, what i really think is that time is a spiral, or shockwave, that resonates in a spiral, where there are definite cycles, but there is a progression.
If you think this though, time is elastic, depending on density of space, and shockwaves and ripples could be sent into this dimension as density increases and stretches it. Of course, this is gravity in some sense, but there is also something else.
I think there is a "morphic" field that has evolving matrices of probability calculations. Reality is generated by these statistical potentialities becoming, or taking form, flesh, as in the word becoming flesh. Condensation and evaporation is the main process of the universe on various scales and levels. Aggregation of hydrogen into plasma clouds(novae), and condensing into star clusters. Further spiraling, and twisting in rotation, forming galaxies, and condensing more into planetoids and meteroids, and asteroids over billions of years. And the sun condenses(by the process of evaporation of energy)... and life receives this energy, and processes it.
Do you ever wonder about what, exactly, is life? I mean, it's a biochemical process, I think we both agree, but just when is something "alive" and when is it "dead"? It's like the issue of virii not technically being alive. And do you think plants have some sort of sensory mechanism, mostly having to deal with light sensation and possible emotive reaction between it and other species. I dunno, I think so, but I'm agnostic about it.
BTW, speaking of drugs, I've always wanted to ask you why you seem to be so against it? I know you don't care if I do it, but for some reason, I've noticed a sudden reaction about it. I've never figured out why you feel so passionately about it. Or maybe my interpretation is wrong.
Also, I found an award I got, runner-up, for best anti-drug slogan(though, Tony and I laughed as we read it, because it's really not... it's responsible drug usage... which is just funny since at the time, i probably thought it was anti-drug, but maybe rationalized what it said): "Who's in charge here... Drugs or you?"
HAHA... ok, anyways. gotta go. ordered some of the ol 'za!
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Date: 2004-10-17 06:00 am (UTC)As for life, I really just take the scientific view. I don't really get into the philosophy of it or whatever. I don't really know what "life" is, or what "death" is or whatver, and I'm not sure it really matters. Personally, I think it's fairly insiginficant, just as we all are, in the grand scheme of things.